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Posted on 31/05/19 08:33:20 AM
vibeke
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What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I'm hearing a lot about steep price increases for Adobe's photo bundle.
That is quite a worry, don't know if I can justify it. I really don't use PS all that much anymore, and Lightroom mainly for organizing, keywording etc. On the other hand to stop using them after so many years also seems hard.
I have been doing a lot of my editing in Luminar lately, which is quite good (when it doesn't crash) and it's DAM is not a replacement for Lightroom (yet).
I have also been looking at On1, which looks promising.
What is everyone else doing?
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Posted on 31/05/19 09:21:30 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I still use Photoshop CS6 as I just don’t need all the bells and whistles of CC. And it’s mine I don’t need to pay every month only to have no access to my files if I stop the subscription.

Affinity Photo is an excellent replacement, costs far less than Photoshop and it’s all yours. Yes, there is a learning curve but it’s not very steep.

I don’t use Lightroom as it cannot handle my Infrared images. Phase One’s Capture One is an excellent piece of software and is actually more capable than Lightroom in many areas.



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Posted on 31/05/19 10:17:17 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I agree with Gordon - Affinity Photo is a very strong contender for PS and in many ways (including shortcuts) is similar and in my opinion better in a few ways- I bought it for 50 dollars. Because it's similar anyone with PS experience will have little difficulty using it. Moreover, the developers are constantly improving it. If PS gets too greedy I will jump ship like many have already done.

Posted on 31/05/19 11:39:14 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
If you simply want raw processing, visual effects and basic selection for applying adjustments then there are plenty of possibilities both inexpensive and free for photo post processing.

The problem is that IMHO none of the rivals are as good as PS for compositing.

The sole exception to this is Affinity photo. I have been testing the latest betas and it has improved enormously since its first release. There is a new release scheduled very shortly. However, although a close rival, it is not yet an equal and certain aspects of it drive me crazy.

With my new machine delivered I have just installed CC19 and it does look good. I have subscribed for one year. So presumably if prices do go up they will honour the current price until renewal time.

Where did you hear about this? From a reliable source? The only references to increases I can find are dated 2016/2017.

Are you watching this Steve? You probably are closer to Adobe than any of us. Do you know anything about this?

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Posted on 31/05/19 12:16:17 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I wasn't aware of price increases, no. I hope Adobe don't drive away their core market in this way.

Posted on 31/05/19 8:15:26 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I heard about it in different podcasts and on Youtube. Reliable? who knows these days.
From what I gather they are experimenting with different price increases. At the moment I'm paying about 10 Euro a month, varies with exchange rate.
David, I find if the subscription cahnges it's usually at the time of renewal, mine is August, I just want to know what my options is incase it doubles.
I should have an old version of a paid PS around somewhere, but even if I find it I don't think it would work on my Mac now.

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Posted on 01/06/19 08:17:38 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
This is the problem. I can run CS6, for example, on my old machine but not on my new. If Adobe does hike prices exhorbitantly then the need to look at substitutes may be the only option to accepting the hike.

Affinity, and others, have been built to some degree on discontent with Adobe and a feeling that they are no longer interested in the individual private user. If Adobe decreases it's popularity further then, with a bit of luck, it may encourage competitors to get better.

I have done quite bit of googling and have found no real alarms about future pricing. Fingers crossed. As you say what is 'reliable' on the web?

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Posted on 01/06/19 8:29:02 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
http://9to5mac.com/2019/05/02/adobe-creative-cloud-price-hike/
http://www.theverge.com/2019/5/2/18526985/adobe-creative-cloud-lightroom-photoshop-plan-price-hike



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Posted on 02/06/19 12:03:27 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
Well this is interesting!

Both of your links claim 20$ a month for the photography package. They both provide links to Adobe's pricing page which when I follow them show (because I am in Europe) as 12€ a month, which is just over 13$. I just took out a new subscription two days ago for one year and it is charged at 12€.

So I just went now directly to the US Adobe site, to see if this is a local US price change, and it still shows 10$ month. This is in line with the euro pricing of 12€ because Europe has always been about 20% more than the US. (VAT perhaps?).

So it seems anybody's guess whether this a is rumour or whether it is waiting in the wings?



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Posted on 04/06/19 6:21:23 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
Another piece of software that you might want to consider is iMerge by FXHOME. They are producing some excellent software and this looks as though it could fit the bill. They do a trial version which is everlasting but it does put a watermark on your work. This can be removed on any saved files when you make the purchase.

I haven’t tried it myself, yet, but will do when I get the time.

http://fxhome.com/imerge-pro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvgPVmxV7w

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Posted on 04/06/19 7:14:20 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I appreciate all the input, I'm still thinking.
My subscription is auto-renewed on August 1st. I guess I can wait until then to decide. What happens if I cancel after the Auto-renew?

I have been using Luminar for a lot to my processing, I really like that program but their catalogue needs a lot more work. I'm trying On1 Raw at the moment, it does seem to do most of the things I need that Luinar doesn't, like panoramas and stacking and renaming files the way I like.

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Posted on 04/06/19 8:24:48 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
My guess is that if you cancel after auto renew you will be committed to the renewal period. (i.e. one year or one month depending on your contract.)

I would suggest you contact Adobe support and just ask them outright if your next renewal period is guaranteed at current prices.

The alternatives you are suggesting are all apps focused more on post processing than compositing. If that's what you want then Photoshop may just be an overkill you might not really need. There are all sorts of alternatives available for post processing.

If you want good compositing then Photoshop and Affinity are probably still your best options. The other alternative for compositing is the amazingly unglamorous and clunky GIMP. It is free and astonishingly capable if you can manage with the very variable and fragmented documentation. It could be used in combination with other apps for the more sophisticated photo processing.

Just my opinion of course ............

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Posted on 04/06/19 8:32:45 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I just took a look at Gordons suggestion. It looks very interesting. More expensive than Affinity but cheaper than Photoshop. Can't say more at this stage but could definitely be worth a look. The trial version has watermarked export but no time limit. That means you can really try it at your leisure before you decide. I think I shall definitely try a download even though I have signed up for a year of CC19. Even if only to have a new toy to play with ............

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Posted on 05/06/19 05:22:56 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
I just went into Adobe and opened manage my plan, rather scared by what I saw;



I currently pay $14.94 for the so-called Photography plan, but according to this I only have the Photoshop plan. From the look of this I will have to pay an extra $40.00 a month to keep what I have.


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Posted on 05/06/19 08:41:05 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
DavidMac wrote:
I just took a look at Gordons suggestion. It looks very interesting. More expensive than Affinity but cheaper than Photoshop.


The good thing about IMerge is that you get to work directly with RAW files so it’s like having Photoshop and Lightroom rolled into one but on steroids. So, as for cost, it looks much cheaper than using those two.

Its masking features also look good as does its green screen abilities if you need that kind of thing.

As always, there is a learning curve while you learn new ways to do things but have a look at the tutorials on You Tube. I have only looked at a couple so far but it looks really interesting.

I have been using FXHome’s ‘HitFilm’ for a while now rather than After Effects and have been most impressed with it; all of my animations have been created in HitFilm. IMerge follows a very similar design philosophy and I can see both pieces of software being more closely integrated in the future. When the day comes (not too far away?) that RAW video cameras become available to Joe Public rather than just big film studios this software will be ideally positioned.

$150 for IMerge for a one-off purchase seems very good to me.


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Posted on 05/06/19 7:36:26 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?

The good thing about IMerge is that you get to work directly with RAW files so it’s like having Photoshop and Lightroom rolled into one but on steroids. So, as for cost, it looks much cheaper than using those two.

Its masking features also look good as does its green screen abilities if you need that kind of thing.

As always, there is a learning curve while you learn new ways to do things but have a look at the tutorials on You Tube. I have only looked at a couple so far but it looks really interesting.
$150 for IMerge for a one-off purchase seems very good to me.

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Thank you, I will have a look at IMerge


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Posted on 05/06/19 9:45:23 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
DavidMac wrote:
Well this is interesting!

Both of your links claim 20$ a month for the photography package. They both provide links to Adobe's pricing page which when I follow them show (because I am in Europe) as 12€ a month, which is just over 13$. I just took out a new subscription two days ago for one year and it is charged at 12€.

So I just went now directly to the US Adobe site, to see if this is a local US price change, and it still shows 10$ month. This is in line with the euro pricing of 12€ because Europe has always been about 20% more than the US. (VAT perhaps?).

So it seems anybody's guess whether this a is rumour or whether it is waiting in the wings?




You are quite right, If I go onto Adobe without signing in, it shows the original pricing of $10.00US/month for the photo bundle, but if I log in, and look at Manage my plan, it shows I have only got the Photoshop Option, not the bundle. The bundle is about 3 times the price. I had a try at chatting to them this morning, it was going around in circles. The final outcome was that they said that all I have is Photoshop.
I can see me resigning once we get into July.


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Posted on 07/06/19 12:20:41 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
Why not take the photographers package? It includes Lightroom and Photoshop and it's cheaper than Photoshop alone ........ this is what I am currently being charged 12€ for. Come renewal just close your current subscription and take out a new one.

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Posted on 07/06/19 7:59:56 PM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
DavidMac wrote:
Why not take the photographers package? It includes Lightroom and Photoshop and it's cheaper than Photoshop alone ........ this is what I am currently being charged 12€ for. Come renewal just close your current subscription and take out a new one.


Normally yes, But if you look at my screen grab, the plan they offer there is cheap for Photoshop only but more than 3 times as much for the photographer's bundle.
It seems that this new pricing is testing the mood in different areas. If I go onto Adobe and check out the plans without logging in the usual plans are shown. So I might be able to do it that way.

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Posted on 08/06/19 09:05:10 AM
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Re: What is happening with Photoshop and Lightroom?
Ah Yes got it! Very disturbing. Hadn't spotted that.

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