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Posted on 28/11/18 7:33:34 PM
GKB
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Anna, Sara and David thanks for your comments.

The video was built up using Photoshop for all the textures, backgrounds etc. The record was created in Cinema 4D as a thin cylinder and the record image applied; it was then distorted and rotated using the 'Nipper' gramophone image to determine its position in the scene. The spindle was a simple capsule shape with a reflective chrome material applied so the reflections were all achieved totally within Cinema 4D. I output the rotating record to its own folder with 1200 png files in the folder.

The various scene images, the record folder and soundtrack were opened in Hit film for final compositing. The slight ‘echo’ effect during the gramophone section was done within Hit Film’s sound effects library. This was removed when Rosita came in.

Hope this answers your thoughts.



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Posted on 29/11/18 00:37:51 AM
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Posted on 29/11/18 03:54:53 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
No animation this week. I had the time, but not the inspiration.





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Posted on 29/11/18 08:09:17 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
GKB wrote:
Hope this answers your thoughts.


I think I am even more impressed now that I know.

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Posted on 29/11/18 11:46:06 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
DavidMac wrote:
GKB wrote:
Hope this answers your thoughts.


I think I am even more impressed now that I know.


It’s really not that complicated. Like all these things it’s just a question of knowing the best way to do it in any particular piece of software ... and that only comes after making lots of mistakes, which is definitely the best way to learn (with the possible exception of brain surgery )

The real complexity tends to revolve more around the best way of piecing everything together rather than how to use the software; that’s where you can start to suffer from brain seizure, particularly when you are trying to composite everything in Hit Film or After Effects.


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Posted on 29/11/18 8:17:19 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
I had neither the time nor inspiration for this week ( I hope to be on track next week).

Gordon your second work is wonderful: very well done and entertaining--it's the "Gold Star" for you my lad!


Posted on 29/11/18 9:57:24 PM
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Thank you Michael.

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Posted on 30/11/18 00:00:23 AM
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Not much time, but thought I should try to keep my hand in.




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Posted on 30/11/18 08:32:19 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Ben Mills was the first to resurrect Nipper this week, with the hound resting its paws on an oversized iPod. Still retro, in its way, and a nice oil paint effect. Well done resisting the temptation to put a shadow over the screen.

DavidMac's take on the Eagle cutaway style is just brilliant - a perfect rendition of the format, with great details. Love the clockwork mechanism, the expression on the man’s face, the heated pad. And a delightfully grisly second entry - that out-of-focus gramophone in the foreground really draws you into the picture. And I like how you’ve hinted at a graveyard in the mist, without actually drawing one.

A nod to the Addams Family from Josephine Harvatt, and a great gag to go with it. Really neatly achieved. Don’t remember Uncle Fester having werewolf hands, though.

Outstanding work from GKB, with amazing attention to detail: the spinning record reflected in the pos in the middle of the turntable, the yapping dog, the replacement of the gramophone with Rosita from a couple of weeks ago, and then the iPhone… Brilliant.

A cemetery scene from tooquilos - is that a stone coffin? That’s going to test those three thin planks. I like the puppet warp on the label in the animated version, and the rain splashing on the coffin and the planks. An ingenious lowering method - is there a hidden mechanism?

Immaculate work from Mariner, with Nipper replaced by a chimp - great work getting those fingers in the ears. A very neat reflection on that gramophone, too.

A novel twist from lwc, with the dog immortalised in marble at the foot of the tomb. The animated mist, rain and bird are excellent touches. A slightly curious angle on the fence, though; shouldn’t it slope down to the right to match the angle of the graves? And possibly be a lot close to the camera?

A beautiful setting from srawland, the Victorian room perfectly matching the period of the painting. That’s the image that could put paid to all those not-a-coffin rumours.

A tricksy reflection from Vibeke, nicely done - that’s a difficult angle. It might have been worth softening the reflection a little to make it match the diffuse nature of the other reflections; and perhaps fade it away as well?

Terrific work this week.

Posted on 30/11/18 09:05:32 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Thanks Steve.

Posted on 30/11/18 11:34:15 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Steve Caplin wrote:
A novel twist from lwc, with the dog immortalised in marble at the foot of the tomb. The animated mist, rain and bird are excellent touches. A slightly curious angle on the fence, though; shouldn’t it slope down to the right to match the angle of the graves? And possibly be a lot close to the camera?


Thanks Steve...

I made some sixteen odd versions of the entry. A variety of different effects and fencing, wrought iron, chain link, etc., with a number of various angles and distances in the foreground. Finally I chose the one posted, I guess I simply liked it best.




Posted on 30/11/18 11:58:39 AM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
lwc wrote:

I made some sixteen odd versions of the entry. A variety of different effects and fencing, wrought iron, chain link, etc., with a number of various angles and distances in the foreground. Finally I chose the one posted, I guess I simply liked it best.



The point I was making is that the angle of the fence should have followed the angle of the tombs…

Posted on 30/11/18 12:06:52 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Steve Caplin wrote:
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The point I was making is that the angle of the fence should have followed the angle of the tombs…


Yes, I understand...


Posted on 30/11/18 12:30:19 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Hate to say this but I am not sure if it wouldn't be nicer with no fence ..............

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Posted on 30/11/18 12:34:38 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Steve Caplin wrote:
Terrific work this week.


Yes it was from everyone.

And thank you for your kind comments.

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Posted on 30/11/18 12:38:15 PM
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DavidMac wrote:
Hate to say this but I am not sure if it wouldn't be nicer with no fence ..............


It looks fine without the fencing, but then we wouldn't have much to write about...

Posted on 30/11/18 12:44:08 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
lwc wrote:
It looks fine without the fencing, but then we wouldn't have much to write about...


And that would be a shame ........

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Posted on 30/11/18 12:48:54 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Thanks Steve - although it is The Munsters not The Addams Family (You are obviously too young to remember ) The elderly gentleman is "Grandpa" and as he is a vampire I am not sure why he has a werewolf hand either but then neither am I sure why his daughter Lily (a vampire) and her husband (Frankenstein's monster) have a werewolf son - genetics eh?

As an aside upon re-watching The Munsters as an adult it is clearly a satire on the plight of immigrants in America (Lily trying to fit in with the neighbours, Grandpa constantly harking back to "the old country") and the prejudices they face

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Posted on 30/11/18 1:56:40 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Thank you, Steve.

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Posted on 30/11/18 5:11:22 PM
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Re: Challenge 733: The Nipper controversy
Steve Caplin wrote:
[It might have been worth softening the reflection a little to make it match the diffuse nature of the other reflections; and perhaps fade it away as well?



Thanks Steve
I had done both, but obviously not enough. Nice to know I was on the right track.



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