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Posted on 12/01/05 3:27:57 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Great thread, everyone. You're all making really helpful comments. Thanks for keeping this board so interesting! |
Posted on 12/01/05 3:40:55 PM |
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tabitha 1
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I know that you guys have poo-pooed my suggestion (no offence taken by this HONEST, I know I am just a beginner, and I truly do have no idea on how compression changes images etc. etc), but I always go on my "eye", and there is something that is not connecting the couple to the background. I thought it was DOF but the photo of your son David proves that it isn't (Gonna scoff at my Dad at the first opportunity!!  ).
You just know that it's gonna be something so small and fundamental that its easily overlooked by your excellent blending. I spose it comes down to the fact of whether you want this to be a montage, or photorealistic?? _________________ "A positive attitude will not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." Herm Albright. |
Posted on 12/01/05 3:49:56 PM |
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maiden
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I agree Tabitha, although I wasn't poo pooing your idea, you can general see by one look if something looks montaged or out of sorts. I know from experience that you can create a greater sense of isolating the subject from the background with dof than was present in David's pic. So it has to one of two possibilites: one is the type of blurring - Guassian Blur doesn't always give realistic photo blurring (Lens Blur in CS is suppose to compensate for that fact but Adobe have produced a very complex tool to understand), two is that the blending of the people still looks 'shopped and this is very hard to get just right. We can be picky about this, but it also might be down to the "subjective factor" - the fact that we take apart and put images back together again might be preventing us from seeing that this is as close to prefect as any one of us might hope to get. But creating truly perfect photorealism can sometimes be a Holy Grail for us: a long hard quest in which we never fully realise if we have found it or not. _________________ mad as a badger and twice as furry |
Posted on 12/01/05 3:53:06 PM |
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trinityofone
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I know there's something that's not quite right, it may be that I need to soften the couple's outline a fraction but I'm holding off doing anything more to it until the person who requested it says yay or nay. Hold back on your scoffing though, remember, the link you sent him was very poor quality - I wouldn't want to start a family feud  _________________ It must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays |
Posted on 12/01/05 3:55:26 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Too true, and one that frustrates me at every opportunity _________________ "She had lost the art of conversation but not, unfortunately, the power of speech." George Barnard Shaw. |
Posted on 12/01/05 3:56:54 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Maybe it would be alot easier to find a building thats currently being built, and dragging some passers by to stand in-front of it... hey presto perfect piccy  _________________ "There are only two things a child will share willingly; communicable diseases and its mother's age." Benjamin Spock. |
Posted on 12/01/05 4:01:22 PM |
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trinityofone
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Surely that would be putting us montagists out of a job....something about rainbows and ex-hostages springs to mind - not to mention having to get them to sign a model release
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Posted on 12/01/05 4:01:24 PM |
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Pooch
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Dave, my first impression is that the building should have a slight out of focus apperance as it has, just a tad. Had this been a photo the camera would be focused on the couple hence them being as sharp as a tack and totally in focus. For me the ground between the couple and the house should start off being sharp where closest to the couple but out of focus / blurred nearer the building? Just a thought. I am currently studying photography so I could well wrong.  _________________ Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Groucho Marx (1890-1977) |
Posted on 12/01/05 4:05:11 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Just impersonate a Japanese tourist, they take pics of anything!  _________________ "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Rich Cook. |
Posted on 12/01/05 4:08:29 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Maybe you could be onto something there Chris. If there were something in the mid-ground (Is that a word??) that was somehow in the middle of sharp and blurred, would that work? Maybe a builder drinking tea with a copy of the Sun, or even a Porta-Loo _________________ "There are only two things a child will share willingly; communicable diseases and its mother's age." Benjamin Spock. |
Posted on 12/01/05 4:15:52 PM |
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trinityofone
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Good ideas Tabs but I'm assuming that this piece is destined for some kind of promotional work, so it needs to be fairly uncluttered. _________________ It must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays |
Posted on 12/01/05 4:42:09 PM |
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Pooch
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As a passionate Liverpool supporter I could never advocate the use of the Sun newspaper for anything other than....well we should leave that one there maybe
I am sure Steve would prefer the independant or the ST _________________ Eagles may soar high, but weasels dont get sucked into Jet engines. David Brent -The Office |
Posted on 12/01/05 5:04:29 PM |
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tabitha 1
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So Chris, you will be looking forward to losing on Saturday then??
I feel adament that the Independent would be the prefered choice, even though there are prob not that many building site workers that read it _________________ "She had lost the art of conversation but not, unfortunately, the power of speech." George Barnard Shaw. |
Posted on 12/01/05 5:17:47 PM |
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Pooch
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Please tell me you dont support ...them. We were getting on so well  We have a new player to unveal on Saturday !!! look out._________________ I was here when things were bad. We finished second one year! Bob Paisley, RIP. |
Posted on 12/01/05 6:10:47 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Lets just say that 6.3 million is a steal, but I'm just hoping his gonna be another Kluivert!
You realise we are totally diverting off the theme of house building, and that Steve will kick us off for having this conversation  _________________ "A positive attitude will not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." Herm Albright. |
Posted on 12/01/05 8:07:40 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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I have no idea what you two are talking about. Must be something to do with sport. |
Posted on 12/01/05 8:33:01 PM |
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trinityofone
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Sorry Steve, can't help out on this one, it's a foreign language to me too! _________________ A happy-go-lucky chap, always dressed in black |
Posted on 12/01/05 10:43:36 PM |
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Pooch
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Hmmmm, is there room for an 'Off topic' Area of the forum _________________ Eagles may soar high, but weasels dont get sucked into Jet engines. David Brent -The Office |
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