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Posted on 25/08/04 3:37:48 PM |
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raymardo
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The Final Supper
Hello, This is a different version of the classic "Last Supper" with Jesus and The 12 apostles. It's intended to mix a few different mediums together and is not intended to appear to be a "real" photograpgh. There is a quote written on a scroll that appeared with it when I painted it on a wall, but that wouldn't show up too well here. The quote is, "In an alternate state of reality a Final Supper is mine with 12 faithless disciples who lead from behind." Opinions and critiques on the piece??? I look forward to your comments. Caio, raymardo 
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Posted on 25/08/04 3:46:07 PM |
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trinityofone
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Re: The Final Supper
That's great! Dali meets Monty Python!  _________________ It must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays |
Posted on 28/08/04 2:35:36 PM |
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raymardo
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Re: The Final Supper
Trinity, Thanks. I never had my worked described that way before. That's pretty accurate. I did this about three years ago. Probably should post something new. _________________ Sometimes you have to stand in your neighbor's backyard to get a good view of your own. raymardo |
Posted on 01/09/04 09:13:00 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: The Final Supper
Some great ideas there, Raymardo - and plenty of content. You need to think about composition a little more, though: at the moment there's a curve of heads around the middle, finishing in a downturn, and a row of objects at the top. Just because there's an empty space, it doesn't mean you have to fill it! |
Posted on 01/09/04 2:37:11 PM |
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raymardo
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Re: The Final Supper
Steve, Thanks for the critique, though I'm not sure that I fully understand. Could you be even more specific. I'm not one to get offended. I certainly appreciate constructive crticism. This piece was done nearly 3 years ago and I always thought it looked a little "cluttered." Does that tie in to what you eluded to? raymardo _________________ Sometimes you have to stand in your neighbor's backyard to get a good view of your own. raymardo |
Posted on 01/09/04 4:08:43 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: The Final Supper
Raymardo, OK, this is what I meant. The eye is naturally drawn to faces, so the first thing we look at is the row of heads. They're all more or less at the same height, but then as we travel along them they tail off at the end - shown by the red line. It's a downward, so rather depressing, finale to the image. Up in the sky, there are four disparate objects (green blobs) that don't relate to one another, but drift around in the space. They don't direct the eye at all. The original painting also had a load of heads in a row, but the effect is quite different. First, the heads are grouped in sets of three (blue rectangles), and each set is a separate 'conversation': each one could be a painting in itself. But within each, the focus is out of the set and back towards the figure of Christ in the middle. There's little in the sky or below the table, but those strong perspective diagonals (yellow lines) draw the eye back down to the Christ figure again. He's a solitary figure here, but the groupings around him make it clear who's dominating this image. Does that make any sense?  |
Posted on 01/09/04 4:17:53 PM |
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maiden
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Re: The Final Supper
Makes sense to me - your very good at this art analysis, Steve. |
Posted on 01/09/04 5:04:44 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: The Final Supper
No, not really, I just notice the obvious stuff! But rhythm is very important to an image, and it's a difficult thing to get across sometimes. The eye has to be led all the time the viewer is looking at a picture: it's up to the artist to make sure the right things are seen in the right order. Maybe I should cover this in more detail... there again, maybe it's not right for a book of this kind. |
Posted on 02/09/04 11:31:00 AM |
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raymardo
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Re: The Final Supper
Steve, Thanks again. There is a challenge that one undertakes when he/she creates a painting, montage, piece etc. because when you have a clear idea you want to convey you are also challenged with expressing that vision while attempting to make the painting pleasing to the eye. That is the challenge; combining the artist's original vision with methods of making the painting pleasing to look at. I believe Steve wrote, "Drawing the eye into the painting." I always felt that this painting of the "Final Supper," an alternate reality of the Last Supper, was a great idea, but I knew that I never quite nailed it. That's why I posted it. Do you, or any of the talented artists in this forum, have any suggestions on how I can make this piece more appealing to the eye while maintaining it's original meaning which I will outline below. 1) Since it's a religious theme an angel looking down ties in. Yet since the theme is an alternate reality, the angel is crying a tear of blood. 2) The sky is bleeding as well and trying to be healed from the band aid. 3) The apostles are all controversial figures and the starnge things that some of them are famous/infamous for are eluded to, such as: Saddam Hussein's ear is partially bitten off as he sits in front of Mike Tyson who has blood on his lips. Hitler is very small, like a boy, on Michael Jackson's lap. Bill Clinton is very happy and a women's legs are seen under the table in front of him. 4) Lastly, the thing on the extreme right is meant to symbolize an eye in the sky. Implying that we are always being watched. Well, how does one cram in all of these ideas and put them all into a painting/montage while keeping a sense of balance? I believe that I would do a better job on this one starting from scratch today, but I felt like this situation could be an interesting topic that would stimulate some thinking, provide a little challenge, and hopefully help us all become better at what we do in the process. So, any thoughts on how to put it all together? If some of the deatail is lost in this low res file, I could post a high res version on my site. Thanks all! _________________ Sometimes you have to stand in your neighbor's backyard to get a good view of your own. raymardo |