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Posted on 02/05/25 08:24:26 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Now here's a curious image – this from Historic England: "The Old Wellington Inn and Sinclair’s Oyster Room in Manchester were once a house, built around the mid-16th century. This photograph was taken in 1971 when the building was underpinned with concrete stilts and raised to fit the new street level. It was later moved as Shambles Square was developed." How did the pub's patrons access it during the underpinning process? I'm sure the landlord wouldn't have been so thoughtless as to close it during the time of upheaval. High res is here.  |
Posted on 02/05/25 4:07:07 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
There's quite an interesting article on how they did this here _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 02/05/25 4:54:47 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
For non Brits. The year of this photo is 1971 and a hugely popular TV series at that time was "Steptoe and Son". They are the two gentlemen featured here. They were what were known in my childhood as "Rag & Bone Men" and in these politically correct days as "Salvage Merchants". They went door to door, usually with a horse drawn cart collecting unwanted items for scrap value or, if possible, re-sale. They usually worked in pairs and one was often a crier to get attention: "Any old iron? Any old iron?" I can still hear the one who passed our house from time to time. Many were not above shady dealings and selling things that had "fallen off the back of a lorry". 
In 1972 a cinema movie spinoff was made from the TV series. The director, Clifford Owen, (Wrong Arm of the Law, Morecambe and Wise), asked me to photograph it. I was very young and his producer, Aida Young ('She', 'One Million Years BC') didn't think I was experienced enough to handle it. Despite her very experienced much older director's desire for me to do it on the basis of another shoot we had done together, she turned me down. The reason she gave was that she needed someone with more experience of working with stars. Stars?!? Anyone familiar with the main actors, Wilfred Brambell and Harry H Corbett, will recognise this arguments as not without flaws ................ but producers are producers and hold the purse strings. I didn't get the job. 
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Posted on 02/05/25 10:07:53 PM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
We had Sanford and Son in the USA... here Nice use of the wings for sale.  |
Posted on 02/05/25 11:24:21 PM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
 _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 03/05/25 00:32:01 AM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Totally looks like it belongs there... nice work Dennis! |
Posted on 03/05/25 00:33:25 AM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Maybe it’s just me, but I refuse to use a zip-line to get to a restaurant. 
Not animated. |
Posted on 03/05/25 05:23:13 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Thanks Loyd. Now I understand what is meant by telling your mate to "zip in for a quick pint." I suppose if fast food has a drive through, why can't a pub have a zip through. I'm sure a lot of wives would appreciate it.  _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 03/05/25 09:41:37 AM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Dennis: Is the new building match modelled or is this pure photoshop? The distant pilings on the left really bring it together. This very strange and beautifully done Dennis. Thank you Loyd. My second idea just took a tumble ..............
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Posted on 03/05/25 5:22:01 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
In case any of you should feel that the execution of this leaves much to be desired (which it does) please remember that mediaeval artists were less conversant with photoshop than we are nowadays.  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/05/25 09:32:24 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Thanks David. I love the imagination and ability these challenges produce. I used PS to cut out the brief image with intentions of creating an alpha plain for rendering in Daz. The brief image was almost perfect for a bump and displacement map by inverting it. Height in a bump map is represented by degrees of white and depth, by degrees of black. By cutting out the windows of the original image and pasting them over the invert, maintained the depth that I needed for the windows as the invert changed them to white. I used the burn and dodge tool to remedy the black and white tones of the foundation and support pillars, to adjust the black / white tones needed to bump them properly. I then created a normal map, specular map and a windows emission map, for the window lights. Combine that to a plain and positioned it in Daz studio together with my selected model and rendered. It takes a great deal longer to describe than to apply. I've used the principle so many times, that it's very quick to apply. It's difficult to find the plains sweat spot though as the perspective of the plane image does not match that of the 3D environment, so it has to be twisted and tweaked until it settles convincingly into its environment. See how the alpha image plane protrudes from the model at approximately 60 degrees.  _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 04/05/25 09:42:10 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Notice the walkway lights standing in the middle of nowhere.  _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
Posted on 04/05/25 10:24:30 AM |
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Ant Snell
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
If a man can't get to the pub, the pub will get to the man.  |
Posted on 04/05/25 2:14:29 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Ant, that's a truly splendid and unusual twist! I love waiting for your unexpected surprises. Dennis, I had no idea your adaptation was so extensive. You lost me somewhere in the middle of your explanation (way out of my depth) but the thumbnails are really interesting and the end result was very special. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/05/25 7:30:21 PM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Interesting Dennis, well over my head. With that said, if I were thirty years younger I would have to give it a try. |
Posted on 05/05/25 01:08:11 AM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
First time guests, when presented with the bill for dinner, are shocked to learn that the shuttle ride is not free. 
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Posted on 05/05/25 11:50:29 AM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
I definitely don't want to be sitting in that so close to the building!!  _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/05/25 12:00:37 PM |
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DavidMac
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
B O A C. to the rescue. Sensing a good publicity opportunity, the British Overseas Airways Corporation steps in with help. As part of the publicity some of the pub and restaurant staff were dressed in BOAC uniforms. 
Thanks to Photoshop London for the back views. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/05/25 9:47:41 PM |
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lwc
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Me neither! |
Posted on 06/05/25 08:05:17 AM |
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dwindt
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Re: Challenge 1052: The Wellington Inn
Arriving would be a great deal harder than leaving. After a couple you wouldn't even care. Might be a bit confusing though. How would you take one for the road...lol. _________________ The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because there is more $hit there. |
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