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Posted on 30/11/25 03:31:01 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
David, I must congratulate you with the quality of your latest entry. I too decided to remove the ugly cube entirely, and the blue reflections. I also replaced the horrid banner over the organ and, like you, did a whole lot of cutting and pasting to clean up the old church. I agree with just about everything you wrote. The only time I use AI is to extract difficult and complicated figures. The world is catching on to AI at amazing speed, and countries are probably using it already to help fight their petty wars. God help us if they invent a version which is more inelligent than the brightest human. But I digress. My pleasure is in actually doing the work, not trying to find ways to avoid it. My entry will appear at the end of the week, as I have some polishing to do, a job I really like and stretch out to the end. |
Posted on 30/11/25 09:08:39 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5929 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Gordon I knew you didn't. You don't have them available in CS and you have done the job beautifully. What you had to remove was a relatively small quantity behind the cube and as you say it was very finicky with lots of small operations. You can understand why it took me so long. I can promise you that removing the scaffold is much much harder. 
Michael I don't really share your enthusiasm for some of the fiddly work. I am happy to let boring technical stuff, like selections and removals, be handled by AI. But I need to be able to feel that the end result is mine and thus keep AI to a minimum and never use it for fresh creation. In this instance it was a 'test myself' myself challenge. Under normal circumstances, with this image, I would have allowed myself the luxury of AI removal for the scaffold. But I chose here to insist that the restoration was absolutely true to the original church and indistinguishable from it and I think that is only possible by hand. By the time I had finished I was too exhausted for banner removal which, ironically, would have been simple.. I won't be attempting anything else quite so foohardy for a while to come, I think. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 30/11/25 11:03:52 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
David If you are mentally tired I can understand, as I also sometimes get bored with a Challenge. If you are physically tired then maybe you are trying to get the job done too quickly. I don't suffer from that. My aim is called "job satisfaction" and I don't stop until I get it. |
Posted on 30/11/25 11:50:26 AM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3415 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
I thought that I was finished for this week, but the weather cancelled my plans for a photoshoot. As is the norm for me, no intelligence was used in the making of this animation. 
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Posted on 01/12/25 00:30:07 AM |
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lwc
Hole in One Posts: 3415 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Same, but different. 
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Posted on 03/12/25 04:54:28 AM |
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tooquilos
Wizard of Oz Posts: 2935 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
http://vimeo.com/1142815539 Wonderful entries everyone. That is a mammoth effort, David. Flawless. I cheated and found an image of the nave (without the cube) on the church's website which was almost a perfect fit.  _________________ Dorothy: Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore |
Posted on 03/12/25 10:04:05 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5929 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Anna. Not so far from the truth. Sitting here in my home office I can look out on this rather unlovely building. It's the back of a church. 
The front is rather more appropriately styled. 
A night we can see the small round window in the back flashing all kinds of colours .......... because the inside looks like this. 
The church is no longer a church. It's now a Brussels night club called Spirito . Please excuse yet another D. Mac diversion. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 04/12/25 05:27:00 AM |
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tooquilos
Wizard of Oz Posts: 2935 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
That's incredible, David. Here I was thinking it would sacrilege if they turned a church into a disco. Well, if you are ever bored on a Friday night....  _________________ Wicked Witch of the West: I'm melting! I'm melting! |
Posted on 04/12/25 12:17:35 PM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Well look ye here... here |
Posted on 04/12/25 12:36:54 PM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
St Peter Mancroft Parish Church
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Posted on 04/12/25 4:55:13 PM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
P. Toddy & The Angels
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Posted on 04/12/25 8:03:59 PM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5929 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Well you've put a lot of work in there Mariner. Not an easy restoration. Interesting to see the differences in our approach. Not sure I understand the last image but it's beautifully done. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/12/25 02:41:08 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Thanks David. Your reconstruction of the church is very good, and I was hard put to equal it.
There is nothing to understand David. I nearly always try to follow Steve's lead as it makes the task more interesting.
Well, the cube had to go, but what piece of artwork would you expect to see in a church? Statues and paintings of course. I couldn't see a place to put a statue, so it had to be a painting, a religeous painting. There are plenty of those about and I was tempted by Caravaggio (no pun intended), but finnaly went looking for angels and was spoiled for choice. There was only one good place a painting would fit and that was behind the altar. I tried that and realized the altar had to go. The stained glass window completely dominated the picture so that had to go too. All I had to do now was add some figures whhich fitted in with the angel, priests for example, but musicians are more interesting, especially if one or more of them is posing with the angel. So there you go. Job done! |
Posted on 05/12/25 09:12:17 AM |
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Steve Caplin
Administrator Posts: 7090 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
First to visit the cathedral this week was lwc, who has illuminated the existing cube from the inside. It’s rather frantic – but I do like the flickering lighting on the audience. I like the animated conductor, but have to point out that the pianist is playing out of time with him. The cube animation works well, and the added photographer is a nice bonus, especially as you’ve reproduced the view in tiny form. A hanging globe from Ben Boardman, neatly shadowing the congregation beneath. Removing the original scaffolding must have been a tricky task, and you’ve done it perfectly. I like the slogan on the altar, and on the banner in the aisle. The floating bible is truly magnificent, and highly appropriate for the setting. Ah, I remember seeing Pink Floyd on the Animals tour back in the day… now Ant Snell has brought it all back with Pink Floyd by Candlelight. I like how you’ve brought the floor into view, although perhaps the ground lights need to be adjusted slightly for perspective. But the lighting effects are impressive (perhaps they should apply to the pig as well) and I like how the poster rests on an easel. Straight into animation for GKB, and before I click play I’m wondering if the cube is going to rotate. And indeed, it does – most impressive how you’ve mapped that wrinkled textured onto the cube. No plainsong to accompany it? Celestial wonder from Frank, who has artfully removed the scaffolding and supported the new stained glass window cube through, it would appear, sheer effort of will. The most subtle change here is the angle of the head of the man standing, now gazing up beatifically at the cube. Splendid! An extraordinary reconstruction from DavidMac, painstakingly accomplished by hand – and it’s beautiful work. How did you source the material for the stained glass window? Did it come from the original church? I thought I’d managed to throw you off the scent by sending you to the wrong cathedral (oops!) but you’ve bested me. Interesting to see both sides of your nearby church – and the nightclub shot is spectacular. Disco time for tooquilos – it’s obviously turned into one of those happy-clappy churches. I like the lighting effects. The animated version is fabulous with that swinging incense ball! And the disco is even better. I like how the light beams shine through the dancing crowd. A full restoration from Mariner, including a whole new congregation and conductor. I appreciate how you’ve removed the banner in front of the organ, too. There’s something a bit skewed about that stained glass window – slight adjustment needed, I think. Interesting to see you going somewhat off-topic with the P Toddy image, but it is a fine image! |
Posted on 05/12/25 09:20:31 AM |
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Mariner
Renaissance Mariner Posts: 3190 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Thanks Steve. Off topic? Me? What about all those other entries? |
Posted on 05/12/25 09:36:16 AM |
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GKB
Magical Montagist Posts: 4083 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Hi Steve Just checked and Vimeo is back, up and running Great entries from everyone _________________ Whatever you do in life do it with the enthusiasm of a 4-year old in a Batman suit. |
Posted on 05/12/25 10:01:26 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5929 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Thank you Steve. I am limping around on crutches at the moment (pinched nerve in spine). I cannot stand unaided so plenty of excuse to sit at my screen and do stuff I wouldn't normally have time for.
Once I realised the mix up it was easy to find a picture of the real window and patch it in. Although it was fiddly stuff I normally prefer to avoid, I found doing this surprisingly rewarding. Thank you. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/12/25 10:06:12 AM |
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DavidMac
Director of Photoshop Posts: 5929 Reply |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Aha! Silly me. Because it wasn't in direct context I missed the point. _________________ The subtlety and conviction of any Photoshop effect is invariably inversely proportional to the number of knobs on it ....... |
Posted on 05/12/25 1:14:14 PM |
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Ben Boardman
Printing Pro Posts: 703 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Thank you Steve, good challenge again. |
Posted on 05/12/25 3:43:23 PM |
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Frank
Eager Beaver Posts: 1817 Reply  |
Re: Challenge 1082: Art in the Cathedral
Thanks Steve. |
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