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Posted on 09/06/06 02:51:58 AM |
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Pierre
Constructional Confabulator Posts: 637 Reply  |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Steve, I love yours (well, I like the other people's work too, but... you know...) Good idea and very well executed! _________________ |
Posted on 09/06/06 09:01:02 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Perspective, perspective, perspective! I'm determined we're going to crack this thing. That truck has clear lines, at the top and bottom of the cargo container, that show the perspective of the scene into which it will fit. They're highlighted here in yellow: 
When these are extended, the point at which they meet is the horizon, shown in red: 
This means that this is where your horizon should be. All other horizontal lines in your montage that are going away from you should point to this horizon: 
If the horizon is higher than this, then your object is pointing down a slope. Which is fine, as long as that's what you wanted: 
Many of you got this right this week, but a significant number didn't. It's the single most critical factor in the effectiveness of a realistic montage - you can't afford to get it wrong! A great montage from Dave, with a convincing dalek on the beach and a beautifully ripped door. The horizon in the background image is just below the roofline of the houses! Bring it down! A neat twist from Michael Sinclair, whose solution was to flip the thing upside down. A good gag (although the shadow's a bit flaky) but, again, there's that horizon problem. Look at it this way: if we were viewing the truck below the horizon like that, we'd be able to see its underside. Reckon that orangutan could do with a bit of fur smudging, too! But I do applaud the sentiment. An excellent first entry from eyal fitoussi, with plenty going on there - a busy, well composed scene. Remember the eyeline thing, though: the guard and people at the back are either standing on a hill, or I'm kneeling down. And why is the cameraman so intent on filming my chest??? Welcome to the forum, Eyal - a fantastic start. "Hope I'm getting the perspective right," says Marty. Well, nearly: it would be fine if the truck were pointing downhil, but don't driveways tend to slope up towards the houses? I like the way you've done the shadow, although really it should follow the same angle as the tree shadow (it is very close). The inside of the truck is really well done (except that we shouldn't be able to see the floor from this angle) and well done, especially, on keeping the bottom edge and latch on the shutter. The sign fits well, though - and I do like the extras on the second entry. In salfordnurse's entry, the truck really is going downhill - so the normal rules don't apply. It's perhaps a little small compared with the woman, though; but the overall effect - the well-opened shutter, the shopping bags, the texture and angle of the ad on the side - are exactly right. I really like the fact that you've added brake lights, too! Great job! Sometimes the horizon isn't obvious - and sometimes it is, Vibeke! You can see the problem for yourself: you've built the floor inside the front truck at the correct angle for the scene, but it doesn't match the corresponding line on the outside of the truck. yet there's so much that's good in this image: the surfers, the water coming out of the distant truck, and especially that fantastic shadow that ripples over the sand. Wonderful! Just one question: why does the truck have no side? Perfect perspective from Whaler: note how he's distorted both sides of the truck to make it fit the scene. A great technique, and it works really well. Very good use of motion blur, and that mini slots in there beautifully. I especially like the reinforced bars on the inside of the truck - a great touch. Artful work from Lexus - using the outside of the truck to make the inner wall was a great idea. We shoudn't really be able to see that much of the floor, though - and where's the background??? I greatly enjoyed Pierre's entry - two minis this week, eh? Your addiction appears to be getting worse. Fantastic snake on the back of the truck: did you distort the image to fit the shutter by hand? Or use a displacement map? Fantastic work. I do like being able to see the scene through the windows. And the way the truck is splayed to match the shape of a caravan in the second entry is just stunning! Beautiful texture, once again, from Tom. Fantastic buildings, cloud and sun: the heavily stylized approach really works here. There's a great comic lurching on the truck, too, and the surrealism of it being semi transparent while casting a shadow is intriguing. May not be photorealistic, but it's certainly a great piece of work! A great idea from Raffy, with good features: the fire, the grass concealing the wheels. I especially like the Chinese restaurant style lettering on the side! Perspective, though - see above! Ha ha ha ha! Char has really thought about the perspective problem! But such fantastic work: the dripping ice cream, the flapping canopy, the angle of the shadows from the sun, all beautifully hand drawn. It's not realistic, but it's a great work of art - well done! There's loads of good stuff in kenney's entry: The well opened shutter, the placement of the man sitting there. The inside of the truck is particularly good, with vertical ribs that become closer as they recede to accentuate the perspective, and some very subtle shading. Best of all, though is the fantastic quality of the shadows, both beneath the truck and cast on it by the tree. The truck's clearly pointing downhill, so the normal perspective rules are changed slightly - although I've have brought the horizon down a little to match the strong perspective of the vehicle. Great work - and certainly good enough for a title for you. Detail Devotee fits the bill here, I think! Excellent work, too, from CWBasset, with another fine shadow on the back of the truck and plenty of those little doggy things sniffing around. Very good work, and a beautifully opened shutter: good appreciation of the perspective, too. The black dog on the left, though, should be rather smaller given that it's so far behind the others; otherwise, this one's working really well! A really good idea from Pauline, whose removals can is certainly shocking Pailine's friend Chris. The truck's too low in the scene for its perspective, and the bottom of the inside wall doesn't follow the angle set by the outside of the facing wall - but it's a well stocked interior, with excellent shading and a perfectly opened shutter. Is that furniture floating, though? In situations like this I always stick in a jumble of random shapes at the bottom to make sure there are no gaps where there should be support! A great idea, and some beautiful rendering on the interior, from Steve Mac. Great shading, plenty of good squirrels, and a very fine shadow beneath the truck. I'd have lost the drop shadow from the lettering on the side, though: it wants to look flat, and the shadow seems to accentuate the fact that it isn't actually on the side of the truck. And there's that perspective thing again! We'll come back to perspective again one of these days. It really makes a difference! |
Posted on 09/06/06 1:15:35 PM |
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pauline
Centenary Challenger Posts: 213 Reply  |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Thanks so much Steve. Hopefully you will have that tricky perspective drilled into us soon. I didnt' take enough time in the planning of this piece and that's obvious. I really must start remembering to put in perspective lines. The furniture was all piles that way and yes, it does look like it's floating!! _________________ Pauline |
Posted on 09/06/06 1:36:43 PM |
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Pierre
Constructional Confabulator Posts: 637 Reply |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Thanks Steve!. The snake I made a while ago for one of my friends that is part of a "Clan" in an Internet game thing (!). And yes I distorted it, applied some brush filter and used a displacement map. You se everything, don't you?  _________________ |
Posted on 09/06/06 3:24:15 PM |
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raffy
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Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Thanks,Steve!Glad you liked Raffy to the rescue.I'll keep trying to get the perspective right! _________________ Dogs have masters;Cats have staff. |
Posted on 09/06/06 5:05:04 PM |
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Tom
Texture Technologist Posts: 401 Reply  |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Thanks Steve. I had the door realistically opened, but then decided to fool around with the pen tool and go in another direction. |
Posted on 09/06/06 7:29:47 PM |
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kenney
Detail Devotee Posts: 46 Reply  |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
thanks very much for the coments steve,a title at last |
Posted on 09/06/06 9:39:22 PM |
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vibeke
Kreative Kiwi Posts: 2157 Reply  |
Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Thanks Steve, I will have to work on the persepctive. As for no Sides, it is in Samoa, very hot, many houses have walls at all. I have attached a photo, taken from a moving bus. Anybody who wants to see more photos from Samoa http:\\www.friis.co.nz  |
Posted on 09/06/06 11:08:17 PM |
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Dave
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Re: Contest 99: Open the door, part 2
Hi Steve Thanks for comments earlier, agree that the perspective is out, if i resized or moved the truck it swamps the whole pic. so would you agree that i started with the 'wrong' base pic. I do appreciate your comments on my pics. but would really like more people to give their opinions too, i am here to learn and all constructive input is welcome.....
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