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Posted on 28/08/07 02:24:45 AM |
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Abby-Helen Artfield
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Posted on 28/08/07 04:09:40 AM |
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dirtdoctor23
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
A bunch of great ones here this week. I hope mine can measure up!!  BTW- I used no pics of water (just the HTCIPS tips and tricks! LOL!
Neil!  _________________ "I haven't failed.... I've found 10,000 ways that don't work!" Thomas Edison |
Posted on 28/08/07 04:35:29 AM |
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dave.cox
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
Chris, another way to upload larger images, is to use the save for web option in photoshop. You can often optimize and save a larger image and still be small enough for the file size restrictions. The one that I posted this week was uploaded that way. |
Posted on 28/08/07 08:50:10 AM |
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chris berry
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
Thanks Dave - I'll try that too. |
Posted on 28/08/07 09:21:36 AM |
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chris berry
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Hi Meltomian. I'm getting close to what you did but no cigar yet. I've created the noise effect then de saturated it and added colour. Is that right. How have you reduced the number of ripples? I've got loads. Chris |
Posted on 28/08/07 09:57:02 AM |
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chris berry
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
Sussed it! Less noise and less emboss seems to do the trick. Then play around with the persepective stretch for calm or choppy. Thanks Meltonian, your image work was an inspiration. I owe you one. Chris |
Posted on 28/08/07 12:56:37 PM |
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Meltonian
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You're welcome! |
Posted on 28/08/07 2:34:08 PM |
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josephine harvatt
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
I usually shy away from the technical challenges but I thought it was about time I bit the bullet. Anyway fer better or worse here tis...  _________________ I'm not really bad - I just draw that way |
Posted on 28/08/07 3:02:26 PM |
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james
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? http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s211/fungismith/reflection2.gif 
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Posted on 28/08/07 3:06:14 PM |
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rufus
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
Enjoyed this one.  |
Posted on 29/08/07 12:11:19 PM |
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Whaler
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
So did I!  _________________ Only in my brightest moments I understand myself |
Posted on 29/08/07 5:17:16 PM |
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Deborah Morley
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I didn't! Tom lovely, lovely water. Meltonian if possible I would like to know a bit more about your water effect, I tried several combinations but was way out.  |
Posted on 29/08/07 5:34:48 PM |
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chris berry
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Hi Steve Just clocked this one - superb piece of work. |
Posted on 29/08/07 10:29:16 PM |
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Meltonian
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Hi Deborah, Rather than waffle on here I have posted the method I used in the Tutorials section of the forum. |
Posted on 30/08/07 03:21:47 AM |
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Steve Mac
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
Thanks Chris. Nice job on yours too. I like the broken reflection of the boat in the waves. Looks very real! _________________ Steve Mac |
Posted on 30/08/07 09:30:11 AM |
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vibeke
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Posted on 30/08/07 3:36:39 PM |
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celosia
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Not too happy with it but my computer is going horrendously slow... all my computers are crapping out on me... I need a new computer...   |
Posted on 30/08/07 11:42:35 PM |
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vibeke
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
[quoted] celosia wrote: Not too happy with it but my computer is going horrendously slow... all my computers are crapping out on me... I need a new computer...
Don't we all! I'm in singapore and have had to work on my laptop. I NEED a new laptop. |
Posted on 31/08/07 04:10:19 AM |
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dirtdoctor23
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I know how you feel Vibeke! my photoshop is on a 12" iBook G4. Thats all I have. _________________ "I haven't failed.... I've found 10,000 ways that don't work!" Thomas Edison |
Posted on 31/08/07 09:11:37 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Contest 161: Reflection exercise
A tricky Challenge this week - but one that's produced some spectacular results. You all managed to get the reflections of the distant trees right, but most had difficulty with the reflection of the boat. It's a really tricky object to reflect: the best solution might have been simply to draw it as an orange shape, then shade and distort that. First to dip his toes in the water was Valle, a newcomer here. And it's a striking image: the angle of view on the boat is very close, the distortion works well, and the distant trees and clouds are reflected convincingly. From our viewpoint, though, we should be able to see a reflection of the girl in the blue lifejacket, and probably the man as well. But an excellent first entry - welcome to the forum! Good to see G. E. Sutton back after a long absence, with a great water texture. The trouble with using photographed water, of course, is that you then have to make the reflections match the distortion. Good perspective on the ripples, though, and a good viewing angle on the boat. Great ripples and reflection from michael sinclair - but shouldn't the fish open its mouth more to swallow that dragonfly? The second entry shows a great water texture and very well distorted reflections: see, you can conform when you want to! I like the fact that we can see the river bed in GKB's entry: and the girl and man are positioned just about right in the water. The boat's reflection seems to stick forward a little, though. Good distance reflections! And the second entry is wonderful. Fine reflection from Ben Mills - I particularly like the way the water laps the edge of the boat, most convincing. The water's a little to blue for an overcast day, and perhaps too much rippling for so little wind! A fair amount of turbulence from Neal - but good colouring in the water, and good distant reflections. We're missing the reflections of the girl and the man, though; and do those reflections really match the water surface? Another new entrant, 12noon, makes his Friday Challenge debut this week. Is it my imagination, or is that water sloping downhill to the right? The distant trees reflect well, but the magic wand could have taken out the reflected sky around them. And don't forget to reflect the boat, Graham! To answer your subsequent question: the reflection of the boat will always be in the same place, no matter where the light is coming from. As to whether the water would be blue or green - I'd say more of a grey. Murky waters, indeed, from Tom: who knows what lurks in those alien depths? Fine texture, as always, but the wrong viewpoint on the boat - we shouldn't be looking down on its reflection. A great sense of perspective in tooquilos' entry, with the ripples markedly changing form as they recede into the distance. The boat reflection works well, with what looks like the right angle of view: that pole at the back, though, wasn't vertical to start with - which means its reflection should lean back, too, rather than following the line straight down into the water. I loved the animated version - but remember that horizon/eyeline perspective issue! Good perspective ripples from katew as well - but are they still too big in the far distance? From our angle of view, we shouldn't be able to see the inside of the boat's reflection, though. Getting this right is the trickiest part of this week's Challenge! The reflected trees work well in steve hill 's entry, and the man and girl are correctly positioned behind the reflected boat. In common with many entries, the boat's prow sticks forward too far: and isn't that front texture too distant for the foreground? I think the same comment applies to the second entry as well: you need to get much closer to the water you're photographing! A very subtle entry from dave.cox, with well thought-out reflections. I like the idea of the concentric ripples in the water's surface: but surely that much rippling of the reflections should produce some surface texture as well. Very neat work from Steve Mac, with subtle ripples that give the boat a physical presence in the water. The boat's reflection is a little flattened, though; but all the elements behind it are perfectly placed. Very neat work from Mike Sykes, with excellent distortion matching the water's surface and a good sense of perspective. The water's perhaps a little too turbulent for such a calm river, though; otherwise, all the elements work beautifully. Another new member this week: and fngirl has produced a perfectly calm surface, with neatly reflected trees and rippled boat. Again, watch the angle of view: we shouldn't be able to see the inside of the boat's reflection from here. A great first entry, though - welcome to the forum! A good angle of view on the reflected boat in 2bfree's entry - but why is the prow so much shorter than that of the real boat? The water surface could do with being darkened up a little, particularly in the distance: the join at the tree line needs more shading in it. An interesting rippling effect from mguyer - but watch that angle of view on the reflections, Marty! Why are they skewed over to the left like that? Subtle rippling from stefan: again, though, watch that viewing angle. I like the sense of perspective, but the near water is too small for such a close-up view: those are still distant ripples. The only way to get this nearby ripple thing right seems to be to draw it yourself, as Meltonian proved. A fantastic water surface - and thanks for the explanation of how it was done. Very fine perspective, and the close-up ripples work beautifully. I'd be tempted to take the saturation down still further, though: that's a very grey sky. It looks like those are convincing reflections from chris berry - but why is the entry so small? You should be using Save for Web to save out a jpeg from Photoshop: that way you can just keep reducing the jpeg quality slider until it comes in at under 100K. An interesting example of the perspective/distance issue in Rocksham's entry. While the distortion technique works well for the trees, the ripples are far too small for the close-up of the boat and the people in the foreground. Perhaps the same filters, with enlarged settings might produce the results we need here. Great underwater detail from Abby-Helen Artfield - I particularly like the rocks in the foreground. In distorting the prow of the boat, though, you've given the top edge a curve that isn't there in the original: a pity, because you're one of the few people this week to get that prow in the right place! Some very subtle ripples from Dirtdoctor23: I really like this effect. But why only around the prow? Shouldn't these ripples extend right around the boat? Good reflected trees from josephine harvatt - but that boat, with the wheel and the people, really needs to be broken down into separate layers before we can reflect it properly. An ingenious animation from james - I love that wave at the end, and the shaking of the boat as the speedboat passes by. Watch the perspective on those people in the water, though! A near-perfect angle on the boat reflection from rufus - but where are the people? The water's too detailed in the nearby ripples, though: each ripple needs to be much bigger when seen this close to. Excellent placement of all the reflection elements from Whaler, with ripples that match the water surface. But those ripples should get a lot smaller as the water receds into the distance. Very nice work from Deborah Morley, with good placement of the reflected elements. I see where you're going with the angle of reflection of the boat: a convincing approach, but I think the prow is further out of the water than that. I like the subtlety of vibeke's reflections: once again, though, the angle of view of the reflection isn't right. Rather than squeezing it vertically, we need to break this one into separate elements. Great water texture from celosia - and the prow of the reflected boat looks very good there. Painting over the base of the wheel mechanism would have helped this reflection a lot! Well, this was a difficult Challenge. So here's the moment you've all been waiting for: the original photo, complete with reflection. Because the water's so calm, the distortion is in the form of big, globular areas: I don't think anyone would have expected it to look like this!  |
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