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Posted on 23/05/08 09:07:09 AM |
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Maja
Dewey Decimator Posts: 66 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thank you, Steve. |
Posted on 23/05/08 09:29:16 AM |
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brewell
Pixel Pentagrammarian Posts: 752 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks for the great review. I used to do stuff like this in a little gallery here in Tallahassee, Florida. Now I drive a truck. Go figure. _________________ I aim to give pause. |
Posted on 23/05/08 09:32:28 AM |
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Steve Caplin
Administrator Posts: 6938 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Too small for the people, Nick: it's way below their waist height! It's not that the plinth is too small, but the people are too big. Remember that horizon/eyeline thing I keep banging on about: the perspective of the room shows the horizon way below where these people are.
Yes, now you point it out I can see it perfectly. Strange, before it looked like a lump of standing rock, rather than a crack in the surface. Perhaps some thickness to the tile edges would have made this clearer? |
Posted on 23/05/08 09:48:07 AM |
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Nick Curtain
Model Master Posts: 1768 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks Steve I was taking the glass into consideration for the overall height of the plinth. I did resize the figures several times and even asked my wife if they looked right. That's it, were over! I must have missed the horizon / eyeline message somehow. Is this covered in the later edition? I did add some thickness to the tiles, but perhaps not enough. Nick |
Posted on 23/05/08 09:57:36 AM |
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Deborah Morley
Makeover Magician Posts: 1319 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks Steve, I didn't know there was such a thing as a kaliedoscope filter, just good old polar co-ordinates and I thought I had placed the bloke on the horizon. I shall look at that again. As it will be the 200th Challenge, why not take up to 20 of your old challenges and put them together. |
Posted on 23/05/08 10:40:21 AM |
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katew
Virtual Virtuoso Posts: 678 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks Steve. I tried hard on the eyeline thing (which is why I deleted my first post - the group in the foreground were too low). But I can see what you mean now about the people on the right. Trouble is when you're working on it, you can't see the wood for the trees! |
Posted on 23/05/08 10:58:35 AM |
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tooquilos
Wizard of Oz Posts: 2857 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thank you Steve  |
Posted on 23/05/08 12:18:05 PM |
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Steve Caplin
Administrator Posts: 6938 Reply |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
I talk about perspective, vanishing points and eyelines extensively in the third and fourth editions - there's a whole chapter on it, in fact. It's important! To sum it up: the horizon is always on the same height as your eyes. Doesn't matter if you're lying on the beach, standing or a long way from ground level: 
The horizon is always at eye level! So, with this picture we need to read the horizon out of the image. We can do this by drawing lines following the tops and bottoms of the wall: 
Where they meet is the horizon: 
We can confirm this by drawing vanishing lines from the other wall as well, which also meet at the horizon: 
When we place a figure in the scene, if we want him at the same height as us we need to place him with his eyeline on the horizon: 
Big room, eh? But that's how it is. If we want to move the figure forwards and backwards in the scene, all we have do do is scale him so his eyes stay on that line: the position of the feet indicates how far back in the room he is: 
In fact, I may well have been crouching slightly when I took this photograph. If this is the case, then obviously the standing figures would appear slightly above the horizon. Those nearest to us would be higher, relatively, since the amount to which they tower above us depends on how close they are to us. In this case, this is how the scene would look: 
Phew! Does that make sense? |
Posted on 23/05/08 12:50:16 PM |
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Neil O
Cartoon Contractor Posts: 389 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks Steve. I knew you were going to say the statue in the display needed to face one side or the other. I didn't have a lot of time this week (excuses, excuses, excuses,) so I figured something in there was better than empty and it was all I had available at the time! Thanks again. Neil _________________ "If I find 10,000 ways something won't work, I haven't failed. I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is often a step forward".... Thomas Edison |
Posted on 23/05/08 12:54:36 PM |
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Nick Curtain
Model Master Posts: 1768 Reply |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks a million Steve. Nick |
Posted on 23/05/08 1:03:47 PM |
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Maja
Dewey Decimator Posts: 66 Reply |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
This is all so very interesting.  I've changed the image perspective that were crooked and can't believe the difference it makes.  (the images are all my own- created with PS) |
Posted on 23/05/08 5:44:19 PM |
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GKB
Magical Montagist Posts: 3883 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thanks Steve, For those interested the aircraft, from left to right, are a de Havilland DH88 Comet. This aircraft won the England - Australia race in 1934 and is now owned by the Shuttleworth Collection in Bedfordshire. Then we have an RAF Canberra (no longer flying with the RAF) pulling up into a loop and then a Bristol Blenheim based at Duxford. The guy whose picture is being stolen by the girl with the cheesy grin is a self portrait during the Canberra shoot. Happy days! Gordon |
Posted on 23/05/08 9:08:10 PM |
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Mick Malkemus
Meticulous Manipulator Posts: 91 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Very enlightening tutorial Steve. Eye level! |
Posted on 24/05/08 00:55:47 AM |
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zapat
Audio Artist Posts: 44 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
thanks steve more power! _________________ "the closer you get to the meaning the sooner you'll know that you're dreaming" |
Posted on 24/05/08 03:13:44 AM |
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Ellen
Fire Queen Posts: 102 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
No time this week to play but I appreciate the detailed explanation you gave on perspective and horizon points- you ought to write a book! |
Posted on 24/05/08 03:44:40 AM |
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mariong
Bayern Brushsmith Posts: 36 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Thank you very much, Steve! It's so much fun every week and so much to learn, even when time is short (which shows in things like the mask). I guess, it was only my second time getting things in perspective like that, so it was really a great learning experience and those reflections..., anyway, another interesting challenge and thanks for the "title"!  |
Posted on 24/05/08 06:14:08 AM |
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BigVern
Q Quipper Posts: 674 Reply  |
Re: Contest 198: Art for the gallery
Many thanks for the kind words; another very enjoyable challenge. |
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