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Posted on 13/01/05 7:00:19 PM |
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Jeff Scranton
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
You're right about the shadows and the saturation. I should have fixed that before I posted my second image. |
Posted on 13/01/05 9:18:02 PM |
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Jeff Scranton
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
Sorry to take up so much space, but I had to tweak it one more time.  |
Posted on 13/01/05 9:26:35 PM |
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Einstein D Kid
Teen Trickster Posts: 281 Reply  |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
What exactly did you do? You did sharpen in a little but anything else? _________________ - there are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't |
Posted on 13/01/05 11:36:13 PM |
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NW Rain
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
First post...first entry to the challenge. I am looking for suggestions to improve my work, so please do feel free to offer constructive criticisms so I may learn.  |
Posted on 14/01/05 00:40:26 AM |
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Atomicfog
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I decided to make a second entry, since I didn't feel my first was original enough. 
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Posted on 14/01/05 00:42:53 AM |
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Einstein D Kid
Teen Trickster Posts: 281 Reply |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I s'pose theoretically u could call that a quad, atomic... And I have to admit it does look pretty kewl _________________ - O(*_*O) |
Posted on 14/01/05 07:28:09 AM |
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Jeff Scranton
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
Actually, I desaturated the front of the "Quadragster" a little, a little bit of shadow work and a little more smoke in back. |
Posted on 14/01/05 07:51:37 AM |
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Atomicfog
Virtual Visualizer Posts: 238 Reply |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
Touched it up a little. 
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Posted on 14/01/05 09:19:18 AM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
What a great way to start the year! We've had some really fine entries, a lively discussion, a bit of argy-bargy and a lot of great Photoshop work. What more could we ask for? First off the mark was Tabitha, with an expertly broken fence. Great 3D perspective, really good splintering, a thoroughly convincing piece of work. Love the sign on the fence, a great touch! Changing the clothing must have been really tricky, and finding another quad bike to match the first was some smart googling. Your work has come on incredibly well in the last few months, and this is about your most realistic yet. A bit of backwards-and-forwards editing on maiden's perspective this week, but we got there in the end! The flying glass works well, but there's somethign about the break in the glass still on the frame that doesn't quite work for me. Is the shading on the edges too harsh, perhaps? I think I'd lower the contrast on those edges and add some more sheen and glare on the glass itself. Good energy, though, and a great sense of dynamism throughout. Great treatment of Ozzy Osbourne in the front of Glen's montage is, although I'm not sure why he's buried up to his knees in the ground. But he certainly fits that fencepost well, and his wounds are neatly inflicted. Fantastic background detail! I really love pictures where you can see more and more the longer you look, and the dead horse really does it for me here. Speaking of background detail, Atomicfog's frisky equine capers almost detract from the high speed jump that's the main focus of his picture. Great perspective, a good sense of movement, and an expertly built ramp. Seems to be a fraction of a gap between the top of the fence and the ramp, but hey, that's just nitpicking. Tabitha may have beaten you to the fence-busting, MJ, but you've really gone to town on smashing the thing up. I particularly like those sections on the left that come towards us in perspective - the 3D edges on there work perfectly. Only one thing bothers me here: where you've got those bars from the gate that are flying out, right in the middle, there are three bars parallel to each other that aren't connected to anything any more. Give one of them a bit of a twist, perhaps. And what have you done with my son's hands? John-BoB's added a fine twist, with a great idea that's very nearly perfect. As far as the perspective goes, you need to raise the trucks and ramp up an inch and it would look great: and a touch of shadow beneath the them would add enormously to the sense of them being in the field. Copying the gate to the foreground of this field ties the image in well with my original - but heavens! What have you done to the horses? We went off track for a while as we launched into a debate about entry quality, neatly put a stop to by Glen's pickaxe. Those AbsolutVision stock pix are great, aren't they? Fine shading! But in the event, the debate trickled on afterwards, so it was up to David Asch to attempt another closure. Love the sentiment, but the banner's coming out sideways. You need more perspective on it to make it drag behind the quad bike. Nice job fitting it behind the fence, though. A great attempt from BobbyJo, with some fine destruction. I love the way the wheels have come off the bike, especially the one that's busting through the fence at the front. My only problem is with the quad bike itself: it's positioned behind the tree, but the back wheel is lower than the tree in the picture. If the bike were raised up, and perhaps made smaller, it would fit in there fine. Great muddy wheelspin on the back wheel there - a really nice touch, and I think you're the only one to attempt it. Always good to see a first entry, Einstein D Kid, and you've fitted these two bikes into the grass well - good shading, the grass covers up the bottoms of the wheels well. I also like the recolouring you've done on the back bike, and you've placed my mug in the helmet well. Need to lower the saturation on my face a little, otherwise perfect! I'm always impressed when people make radical changes to perspective, and Jeff Scranton has achieved the near-impossible on this one: the field and fence look totally convincing in their new position. Expert blending of the quad with the dragster engine, too - I had to keep referring to the original to see how much of the bike you'd kept. If I were to quibble (and you'd lose all respect for me if I didn't, right?) I think I'd make the front right wheel a little smaller, and bring it a little closer to the engine. Otherwise, a top job. Love the smoke! A really fine first entry from NW Rain, with a very skilful rebuilding of the quad bike. It's not just been enlarged, it's been disassembled and put back together again with a new configuration: excellent work! The fence breaks nicely around the front wheel, as well. Good stuff, whoever you are. Damn, I wish you guys would fill in some of your personal details! Such as, which continent you live on! Atomicfog made the mistake of getting his entry in early this week, so it's good to see another last-minute stab at the problem. Nice job souping-up the bike - but you havent fixed the top bar of the fence yet. Or are you going to tell me that's a line of moss? Great work, everyone. Feel free to add your own comments! Steve |
Posted on 14/01/05 1:23:00 PM |
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tweaknik
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I don’t really comment on images very often so here goes. I haven’t read through Steve’s comments yet, so hopefully mine aren’t completely at odds with his. In general I have been looking at what is making each image look less realistic, and suggesting what I would have done to improve the problem. I have only been looking at the picture posts and not any textual discussion or replies to them, so please forgive anything important I have overlooked or that has already been said. Finally, I hope I haven’t offended anyone and any criticism really is meant constructively. Tabatha 1: Nicely done, the sign might benefit from being lower contrast and re-coloured to suit the rest of the scene though. The fence is maybe broken a little too uniformly and the splinters a little blurred. maiden: A nice effect, the child looks 2D whilst the front of the quad-bike looks 3D. I think the edges of the broken glass may be a little too prominent though, and the flying shards might look better if individually the reflected light on them is varied more. I see you've modified the reflections in a subsequent version. Glen: An effective image, the child is very believably placed in the picture. I think Ozzy would benefit from having his levels and colours modified though as he doesn't really seem to be 'in' the environment, although the pose works really well. MJ: A good dynamic picture. I would have thought about modifying the lightness of the individual planks to suggest rotations, at the moment they still seem to occupy the same plane. Possibly some broken splinters on the snapped edges would work well too. Atomicfog: Nice Easter egg, it must be spring. The blur gives a good feeling of motion, although the slightly wrong perspective of the child detracts from the realism a little. John-BoB: The idea here is more important than the realism of the image, I think. Possibly the trucks and ramp could have the colours and levels modified slightly to fit in better though. David Asch: A realistic composition (apart from the banner maybe). The fence is cut out without too much of a green fringe from the grass showing and the shadow, whilst being a little strong, works. BobbyJo: A nice feeling of dynamicism from the smashed fence. The problem that jumps out at me in this picture is the upper part of the child. The contrast is a little low compared to the rest of the scene and also, the child’s head is blurred, but the outline is sharp, something that has to be watched out for. Edit: the kicked up mud and grass in the second version certainly helps the image. Einstein D Kid: This one is more of a concept pic than a realistic one I assume, although the main thing that stands out is the brightness and colour of Steve's face. I'd have maybe used the colour of the child’s face to re-colour Steve’s and added some shadowing to the visible top of his face to make it seem sunken into the helmet. The colour in the background is very rich compared to the foreground, so reducing its saturation a little might help to blend them together. Jeff Scranton: A very nicely put together image. Your perspective modifications of the background work well and the child/quad bike and the dragster have come together effectively. The major problem is the difference in resolution in the image elements, but otherwise, very nice. NW Rain: A good first entry. Unfortunately, the scaling up of the bike has resulted in an unavoidable yet noticeable difference in the resolution of the bike and the background. Also the bike seems to be angled down a little too much, maybe skewing the bike could fix this? Nick |
Posted on 14/01/05 3:33:07 PM |
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Glen
Montage Maestro Posts: 282 Reply  |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
Steve wrote although I'm not sure why he's buried up to his knees in the ground. All together now (shout to the VERY overgrown grass) ... "HE'S BEHIND YOU" (Nick, yeah I thought that too - ah well) 
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Posted on 14/01/05 7:47:37 PM |
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tabitha 1
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
You have no idea - well you prob do actually which was why you mentioned it 
I had to basically graft bits from a pic of two teenage boys wearing shorts, until I hopefully had everything in the right place. Did not help with the fact that the boys were standing up, so please apologise to your son if his left thigh has come from another boys right arm! Bit gutted you never noticed that I had cleaned the bike up too, afterall, on a gorgeous sunny day, wearing shorts and T-shirts, you DO NOT want any mud!! 
Thanks Steve for your positive comments about my work. I have been using Photoshop alot recently as stress-relief from my moving. I am a bit worried though that my images are just too straight, and so I am trying really hard to put some humour into them. Nick- Thanks for your suggestion with the colour change on the sign. I think I was a little confused about the light direction. With regard to the fence, I was trying to get the effect that the Quad was just pushing it open (not the traditional way of course!) rather than smashing it to smithereens. As for the splinter.... I'm not even gonna go there! What a nigtmare they were 
Feel like a bit of a hypocrit as I was all up for adding my 10p worth etc earlier in the week, and I haven't... yet! Will try to get some time tomorrow when I am not implanting foxheads onto Red-Coats! _________________ "A positive attitude will not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." Herm Albright. |
Posted on 14/01/05 8:22:07 PM |
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Jeff Scranton
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
Steve, I think you meant the left front wheel didn't you? Looking at the image now I see what you mean. As far as what continent I'm on, greetings from Burbank, California! |
Posted on 14/01/05 8:27:41 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I meant the right as we're looking at it! And yes, I'm sure it's horribly sunny where you are, everyone's bronzed and healthy and oranges fall off the trees straight onto your plate. Welcome to the damp, drizzly country! |
Posted on 14/01/05 8:36:11 PM |
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Steve Caplin
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I don't think so:  |
Posted on 14/01/05 8:44:29 PM |
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Glen
Montage Maestro Posts: 282 Reply |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
He's shorter in real life than he looks on television !! (must get around to filling that hole in by the fence one day!)
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Posted on 14/01/05 10:04:24 PM |
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Jeff Scranton
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
It's sunny right now, but we just got through with two weeks of intense rain. Oranges were two bucks a pound, last time I looked. |
Posted on 15/01/05 06:07:08 AM |
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Atomicfog
Virtual Visualizer Posts: 238 Reply |
Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
It's a line of moss... I swear. No, actually, I completely missed that oversight. It's so minute, but it makes the difference between real and fake. The reason you see it in both of them is because I decided to be "cheap" and use the same PSD file as the other one (Minus the layers of the ramp, kid, horse) I decided I would take out the line of moss real quick, just in case anyone cares  .
http://img30.exs.cx/img30/4710/quadkid3mv.jpg http://img30.exs.cx/img30/2626/quadkid26ln.jpg _________________ -Atomic |
Posted on 21/01/05 01:00:11 AM |
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NW Rain
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Re: Contest 27: quad bike fun
I appreciate the comments from Steve and tweaknik from last week. Sorry I didn't include any personal info in my bio, first time in this particular type of forum and didn't realize where the "add more info" button might be located. Found it and have added a little bit about myself. Hadn't noticed the difference in the resolution until it was pointed out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Had left the forum open on the computer and my hubby started to rail against the image on the screen saying how horrible it was and how totally easy it was to see that the bike had been stretched and thrown into the background image. When asked what gave it away, he said a quad bike like that would have fat, knobby tires, not those skinny little things. Oops, guess I missed that part, too. He looked a little sheepish when I told him it was my work on the image. At least he was honest! |
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, but I can't really complain cause my shadow is only of the wheels.
