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Posted on 25/03/22 09:09:44 AM
Steve Caplin
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Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
I was having a cup of tea on the roof terrace of the John Lewis department store in Oxford Street this week when I saw this building undergoing extensive renovation - or perhaps it's being demolished to make way for something altogether different.

It would be a good location for a HotChiPs Museum, I thought, to celebrate the 900th Friday Challenge. But what physical form should the museum take? Should it incorporate the egg from the very first Friday Challenge?

The choice is yours. And I've taken the unusual step of linking to my original photograph, rather than a scaled-down version, so you can get up close and personal should you wish to.

High res is here.



Posted on 25/03/22 09:18:37 AM
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I'm off to Port Edward this weekend and following week, so enjoy your challenge. If I don't see you through the week, I'll see you through the window!

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Posted on 25/03/22 09:50:45 AM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Have a good trip to S.Africa, Dennis.

Posted on 26/03/22 09:59:24 AM
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http://vimeo.com/692521011

Congratulations Steve on reaching this incredible milestone - 900 challenges. These inspiring and motivating challenges have improved, to no end, my PS, AE and 3D skills. Thank you



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Posted on 26/03/22 11:26:29 AM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Simply brilliant Anna!

Posted on 26/03/22 4:58:21 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Beat me to it Anna ..... and in spades too!!!

From the rooftop gardens of John Lewis, Mr Stephen Caplin celebrates the opening of the new HTCiP museum in Oxford street.

Do click for the big image.



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Posted on 26/03/22 7:24:51 PM
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Posted on 26/03/22 10:43:02 PM
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David, your work on Steve's face is very good. Well done! You have taken 900/52 = 17.3 years off his age.

Posted on 27/03/22 2:53:13 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
David I really love this very well thought-out entry, so much so that I've been tempted to do one of two things: blend in or tone tone the museum, so it looks even more realistic and make Steve wink after 5 seconds in this two framer animation.

I apologise in advance for "messing" around with this, and ultimately, it's a question of opinion, so...I could be wrong





Posted on 27/03/22 5:55:35 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
michael sinclair wrote:
David I really love this very well thought-out entry, so much so that I've been tempted to do one of two things: blend in or tone tone the museum, so it looks even more realistic and make Steve wink after 5 seconds in this two framer animation.


First off Michael, thank you for the compliment!

I do however take some issue with your new interpretation.

You have been playing with your favourite Highlight/Shadows adjustment again! You have not simply adjusted my building to fit - you have adjusted the entire image first, lifting the blacks and putting more details into the shadows and, thereby, desaturating the colours as well. Given this flatter treatment then yes, of course, the egg needs adjusting to match.

But is not a match to Steve's picture it is a match to your re-interpretation of it.

Looking at Steve's original picture, the yellow sky and saturated blacks all indicate end of day and I like this feeling and chose to remain faithful to it leaving the colours dense and, where necessary, dark. I feel that your interpretation has lost the mood of the original and is inclined to blandness.

If you accept the denser original, then the white of the egg cup on its lit side is matched to the white of the building to its left. The blue of the original challenge egg cup is quite dark and I have attempted to match this in the building. The darkness and saturation also being in keeping with the bus.

By the same token we have a copper dome reflecting a golden yellow sky on its right side - it is deliberately glowing and saturated. It is also reflecting a cooler less golden sky on the side away from the sun. The difference is subtle but important. All of this is entirely lost in your less saturated version.

I apologise in advance for "messing" around with this, and ultimately, it's a question of opinion, so...I could be wrong.


Apologies not needed ... there is no right or wrong. As you say, ultimately, it's a subjective question of opinion.

If this were a photo on a flat cloudy day, I would accept your interpretation without problem. But it is not. It is a photo on a slightly hazy golden evening as the daylight starts to ebb. To my personal eye the way I have done it is how I feel it should work.

Wouldn't this challenge be dull if we didn't have differences!



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Posted on 27/03/22 6:40:05 PM
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David I both accept and defer to your explanation of which the explanation was very well stated. I was...I was... just testin yer.

Posted on 28/03/22 09:31:17 AM
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michael sinclair wrote:
David I both accept and defer to your explanation of which the explanation was very well stated. I was...I was... just testin yer.


It's so easy to get carried away with one aspect of an idea and lose sight of something else (sometimes embarrassingly obvious) that's begging for attention too. I pride myself on being a genuinely experienced and competent Photoshopper, but I often make silly mistakes. it's never a bad thing to be made to examine your own work.

After all, isn't that why we are all here? ........... Because, aside from the friendly competition, that's what Steve make's us do.

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Posted on 28/03/22 09:43:28 AM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
I am a bit late coming to the game this week has just had a long weekend away, some of you may even recognize where. Had I seen the challenge a bit sooner I may have even popped over to John Lewis to grab a few different angles. I will have to give this one some thought, I confess I am a bit void of ideas at the moment.



Posted on 28/03/22 09:54:14 AM
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Thank you Mariner. Have to see if Bob's little blue boat is still there.

Truly wonderful so far. Something I would pay attention to is the bending of perspective by the camera lens. This would have to be considered to land that egg in there properly. Difficult but possible.

Lovely tribute Anna. Clever and quick to for all that work.

Lovely construction of the egg David. Careful for the distortion of the perspective by the camera. It'll distort your egg quite considerably to get it to truly fit into the photo. The reflection's disappearing point should be higher. It'll affect the perspective lines of the reflections in the window as well...and curve it.

Nice idea Gordon. By doing what you have, you've made it hard to pin point the fish eye curve in your perspective. Some shadow and highlight issues though...minor.

That washed out picture of David's doesn't work. Blast your own one up Michael..lol.

Try some subtle secondary light in the structure of the near by building as well as subtle reflected light on that small dome.

I'm chirping so much cause I know you won't have an image from me to critique this week. HA!

Can't wait to see what you all do at the end of the week. Stay safe and have a sterling week.


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Posted on 28/03/22 2:30:24 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Seems to be my week for responding to my critics.

dwindt wrote:
Careful for the distortion of the perspective by the camera. It'll distort your egg quite considerably to get it to truly fit into the photo.


Truthfully this has gone completely over my head Dennis. I haven't a clue what you are trying to say. I did not use Steve's egg photo except a visual reference for idea and colour, nor did I attempt to model it in 3D. Apart from the one that Steve used to take the London photo, no camera, either real or virtual, is involved at all anywhere. I drew the egg quite simply by hand in 2D within the context of its surroundings and doing my best to conform to them. I am quite happy to accept that I may not have got it quite right, but all this stuff about camera distortions is completely lost on me.

The reflection's disappearing point should be higher. It'll affect the perspective lines of the reflections in the window as well...and curve it.


I'll deal with second bit first. No curvature because the egg is composed of flat surfaces - particularly the windows. Although it is drawn in 2D you can think of the shape and surfaces as analogous to a very low poly 3D model.

As for the vanishing points in the reflections you may well be right! I truly haven't a clue where they should be, especially as each window is at a different angle. I just plain guessed and fooled around until they looked instinctively vaguely OK. They could be totally and utterly wrong for all I know. I'll be very curious to see if Steve has any theories about how these should work.

Interesting week so far ..........

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Posted on 28/03/22 4:16:33 PM
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Sorry Dennis but I am also at a loss as to the fish-eye distortion aspect as there is negligible, if any barrel distortion. There is, however, a converging vertical issue due to the camera looking downwards. In my first post I decided not to correct the verticals as the angle of view of the camera would indeed introduce the convergence.

In true architectural photography I would have corrected the converging verticals and here is the result with a couple of extra tweaks included. One of those tweaks being a reduction of the saturation of the egg. I left it where it was in the first image as it seemed to fit with the glow of the evening sky.






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Posted on 28/03/22 4:54:14 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
During my recent trip to ‘the smoke’, I couldn’t help but notice the ever-competing skyline. I remember when the BT Tower and possibly the Gherkin were the tallest building around but now, they seem increasingly dwarfed each time I visit, so why shouldn’t Steve’s little museum be any different.



Posted on 29/03/22 07:43:52 AM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Like the man and balloon ……. but I hope he isn’t headed for disaster.

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Posted on 29/03/22 09:32:26 AM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Even worse I hope this isn't Steve's Hindenburg!

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Posted on 29/03/22 12:19:10 PM
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Re: Challenge 900: The HotChiPs Museum
Even worse I hope this isn't Steve's Hindenburg!
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