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Posted on 07/05/13 10:58:31 AM
Steve Caplin
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Photoshop CC announced
You'll probably have heard by now about Photoshop CC - standing for "Creative Cloud" - which is officially the new version of Photoshop. Full details of the new features are here:

http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/photoshop.html

As from now, new versions of Photoshop will be available as part of a Creative Cloud membership only. Full membership of Creative Cloud requires a monthly fee, but gives you instant access to the full range of Adobe software.

If you only want Photoshop, you can buy a "single app" membership, which costs $19.99 a month. But if you already own Photoshop CS3 or later, then you can get a reduced price plan for just $9.99 a month. Full details here:

http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/photoshop.html

This may seem like Adobe are forcing people to pay a subscription rather than a one-off purchase, but actually it works out as being rather cost effective, given the number of updates you'll be receiving for this monthly fee.

And of course, you'll be able to read all about the new features in How to Cheat in Photoshop CC, which I'm working on now.

Posted on 07/05/13 7:53:39 PM
Deborah Morley
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Re: Photoshop CC announced
It seems to be that if you have Photoshop CS6, you could upgrade with photoshop only for £8.?? per month, which seems very reasonable. However, you could update to the complete suite for £18.?? per month, for the first year, which does sound very enticing. All depends on your download limits of course

Posted on 08/05/13 07:01:20 AM
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Download limits can be a major issue here, for sure. The forums have been going crazy with people complaining about the new arrangement, and refusing to pay a monthly fee. If you ask me it's daft. These people are happy paying out every month for broadband, cable TV, insurance, electricity and so on, but they see Adobe's attempt to prevent piracy as a personal insult.

Full pricing in all currencies available here:

https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=individual&store_code=gb

You'll see that Australia gets shafted, as usual. Ho hum.

Posted on 08/05/13 08:58:31 AM
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Thanks Steve,
And for once I don't think we are gettign shafted, as far as I can see the monthy fee for Photoshop is $19.99 Au$ = just over 13 GBP, The special price for early takeup is $9.99 Au.
Does sound good, I had CS5 Extended but not the extended version of CS6, I assume they are only offering the Extended version which is good.
Any idea what they charge for adding Lightroom, not that Lightroom is very expensive to buy ourtright.


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Posted on 08/05/13 09:34:41 AM
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I already have CS6 on subscription. I like their intro offers for existing users, but they don't say how much it will be after the first year.

Posted on 08/05/13 12:52:04 PM
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Steve, I don't know if you'll sell any of those books as what I'm seeing on the forums indicates alot of folks will move away from Adobe.
Frank

Posted on 08/05/13 7:24:42 PM
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I can see a lot of good in this, however, I do feel that you should be able to cancel after perhaps 3 years and then be able to keep the desktop application.
I think I will give it a go, but will leave it until the last day of the special offer, July 31 as I will be overseas all of June and July. Don't want my broadband use to go through the roof then.


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Posted on 08/05/13 7:44:10 PM
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Fyi: we had another thread of discussion here:
http://www.howtocheatinphotoshop.com/cgi-bin/simpleforum_pro.cgi?fid=12&topic_id=1367947752


Posted on 08/05/13 8:29:54 PM
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I might be really off track here, but I was involved in Cloud Technology and my colleges too and still working it. The concept is you have a smaller mobile device. All the programmes/apps are on remote server and all your files there too. Fine. Can always have problems with bandwidth and travel. An issue I highlight on another thread (viz can get access), a choice.

I thought the idea with technology of the Cloud was its like "pay-as-go", the more use the more you pay. Fine. And you pay for off-line storage of files. Fine.

As I said before, I don't believe it should be mechanism for verifying my licence which Adobe already does. I've never been illegal. I've worked in software. Someone has to pay for the salary of honest development workers. I did not like paying it but all the licences fees I've pay are ok, my choice.

I don't want to subscribe for something I don't know what I am getting. I did not pay for CS6, because CS5-extended enough for me. I did not want to pay for CS6-extended. My choice. I can only pay so much. My finances go up and down.

Posted on 09/05/13 07:48:11 AM
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Frank: These people are just complaining because things have changed. Most likely they're working with a stolen copy of Photoshop anyway. Are they really going to dump Photoshop and switch to something lightweight? I really doubt it.

Vibeke: The idea of being able to keep the software after a 3 year sub is a very good one. Hadn't heard that suggestion before. I'll pass it on to Adobe, you never know.

Posted on 09/05/13 1:28:41 PM
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Photoshop CC - wow, extremely commercial! I wonder, if Thomas Knoll would have been obliged to hire his first Mac instead of buying it, he probably would have bought a PC. His brother John keeps his old Mac to run his first 1990 version of Photoshop. He could make that decision, because he owns the gear. It all began with bartering, then came money and now its a cloud. Let's hope this isn't leading to the burst of a bubble.



Posted on 10/05/13 4:16:46 PM
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These people are just complaining because things have changed. Most likely they're working with a stolen copy of Photoshop anyway.


Steve that is an ignorant statement. All my software is legal. I have to scrape and save to afford upgrades. If a newer version does not contain worth-wild enhancements for me, I don't upgrade. With the new CC scheme that option has been removed. The last thing many of us need in this economy is another monthly bill. To insinuate that those of us that do not like the CC idea and voice our opinions are thieves is extremely offensive.

Posted on 10/05/13 5:14:16 PM
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jwhite wrote:
Steve that is an ignorant statement. All my software is legal. I have to scrape and save to afford upgrades. If a newer version does not contain worth-wild enhancements for me, I don't upgrade. With the new CC scheme that option has been removed. The last thing many of us need in this economy is another monthly bill. To insinuate that those of us that do not like the CC idea and voice our opinions are thieves is extremely offensive.


John,

Subscribing to CC costs no more than buying upgrades to Photoshop the usual way. That's all I'm saying. If people are already paying for Photoshop legitimately then they have no real cause for complaint.

But I take your point.

Posted on 10/05/13 6:07:25 PM
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Steve that is incorrect.

If one owns Adobe’s Master Suite perpetual license which is very similar to the full CC option. Here are the differences:

1) With an average 21 month cycle between major shipment versions (average from CS4 to CS6) a CC license would cost ~$1050. My last upgrade from CS5 to CS6 Master Suite was $549. THis makes the CC a ~2X price increase.

2) At the end of that time period with a perpetual license, I would have a product that I can keep as needed for my needs including not upgrading if that is the right decision for me. That decisions removed with the the CC model as access terminates if I leave the program.

3) New work created with new features on the CC products, I lose access to that work if I ever leave the CC plan. Even if I don’t use the new features there is no stated guarantee that I could use those PSD/TIFF files by going back to an old perpetual license copy. This is a major issue.

4) The ability to evaluate new product offerings on price and features and decide if and when to upgrade is gone. Rental decisions are in the hands of the landlord.

5) Adobe dictates my refresh cycle. As a pointed example, if Microsoft Windows were on a subscription model I would not have had the option to skip upgrading to Vista and wait for Win 7. Upgrade decisions are no longer in my control and upgrades can break workflows especially when there is other software used with Adobe products (plugins, scripts, deprecated features, etc)

6) While CC model has a much lower barrier for entry compared to the perpetual license model, the barrier to exit is quite high (see #3).

The above words are not mine, but nonetheless.

Posted on 10/05/13 6:07:34 PM
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Sorry if I am repeating previous comments> I have the Windows versions of Master Collection CS3 (student version) and Photoshop CS5. If I subscribed for $9.99 or $19.99 per month would that mean that my software would update to the latest versions? Also would I be able to use the new software on Mac OS (either instead or alongside the Windows versions) ? .

If, (for a new user) it is simply a case of; 'pay $19.99 per month and have full access to all of the software you could ever need'- then this is an amazing deal. But it sounds too good to be true to me which is why I think I must be missing something..?.

Thanks.

Posted on 10/05/13 6:26:02 PM
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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.edu.html


If you stop your subscription the programs will no longer function.


Posted on 10/05/13 6:42:55 PM
Artwel
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Thanks jwhite. It sounds like a subscription to CC allows access to a wider community of designers, to share, learn and discuss ideas. Which is worth the subscription fee in itself. I think I'l wait a while before jumping in though.

Posted on 10/05/13 7:12:01 PM
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Another remark: if exclusively the costumers who payed for every upgrade would have been using Photoshop, there wouldn't be as many users as are existing now. So the wide circulation of Steve's "Cheat" series would have been a very small one. And not only Steve, but lots of publishers will have to look out for other options. I don't want to pay for every little upgrade of Photoshop, but from now on Adobe tries to compell me to do so. It seems a strange world the Knoll-brother live in. I embrace their product, but I reject their mercantile spirit. And when will Photoshop Elements move to the cloud? Why not sell a basic version of Photoshop and give users the choice to buy 'apps' (filters, RAW, Bridge, 32 bits colours, 3D, Video, and/or other options). About the same is taking place with Microsoft Windows 8.

Posted on 11/05/13 09:29:46 AM
Lorenzo1977
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Im completaly agree with jwhite and Sjef, i didnt upgrade to cs6 cause i didnt want to spend 300+euro for the new "Photoshop improvments"that ive found useless, now i ill be forced to upgrade it even if i don't like it and that's really ridiculous.It's not because i pay out every month my insurance or my house rent, i need to pay out monthly( and for the rest of my life) every single stupid thing on the earth.I want to PAY(not stealing) a single piece of software and i want to have the freedom to choice if upgrading or not and keep it on my pc in any case.it's a bad choice to me.

Posted on 13/05/13 07:46:37 AM
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Guess it' a done deal, personally I don't think I'm against it, but I would like to have a saved copy of my paid for CS6, How do I go about getting that, computers and hard drives are known to fail.

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